13:35 < Murkas[m]> muppeth what you said about 3 years etc. applies only to startups, that means commercial use
13:36 < muppeth> Murkas[m], i dont think so. though I hope to find out all informations needed soon.
13:36 < muppeth> Murkas[m], is disroot commercial then?
13:36 < Murkas[m]> or intended commercial use. this is not the case with most privatly operated pods
13:36 < Murkas[m]> no
13:36 < muppeth> isnt any platform offering accounts commercial?
13:37 < Murkas[m]> no
13:37 < Murkas[m]> wikipedia is also NOT relevant to artiicle 123
13:37 < Murkas[m]> 13
13:38 < sokan> Murkas[m]: so only fediverse, disroot etc are relevant?
13:38 < Murkas[m]> not even that. there is no commercial intent in operating fediverse
13:42 < Murkas[m]> As I understood the whole thing is that it only applies to companies or startups who want to make 
                   money with content (ad banner, subscriptions etc)
13:42 < muppeth> Murkas[m], hope you are right about that. its now in hands of every country to implement it
13:43 < Murkas[m]> those have to have upload filters, so that they pay the content creators from their revenue
13:43 < muppeth> Murkas[m], but thats a very slim difference. What if someone runs a pod for 1 euro per user?
13:43 < muppeth> what if someone to cover the infra costs does put a banner etc
13:43 < Murkas[m]> if it just pays your hosting bills, that is not commercial!
13:44 < Murkas[m]> if you make profit, that its commercial
13:44 < muppeth> depends how you look at it
13:44 < muppeth> we made this year 1k on top of the costs
13:44 < muppeth> does that make us commercial?
13:44 < muppeth> *last year
13:45 < Murkas[m]> look at it over 3 years, or a usual depreciation period. not a single year
13:45 < Murkas[m]> in germany there is the term "liebhaberei" if you do something without the intent to get profit out 
                   of it
13:46 < Murkas[m]> you could also donate the 1k so you get even ;)
13:47 < Murkas[m]> or declare it as reserve for repairs
13:47 < sokan> Murkas[m]: you're giving me hopes
13:47 < sokan> but still
13:48 < sokan> the fact that none gave a fuck about so big demonstratinos, media didn't say anything and all that is 
               to say the least even worse
13:50 < Murkas[m]> https://www.donau-uni.ac.at/de/aktuell/presse/archiv/27084/index.php
13:50 < Murkas[m]> THis is a link in german, where it explicitly states that it is only relevant for companies with 
                   intent to make profit ("Gewinnerzielungsabsicht")
13:54 < Murkas[m]> in english:
13:54 < Murkas[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_Digital_Single_Market#Article_13_/_Article_17
13:54 < Murkas[m]> "Article 13's provisions target commercial web hosts which "store and give the public access to a 
                   large amount of works or other subject-matter uploaded by its users which [they] organise and 
                   promote for profit-making purposes". The proposal makes explicit that this does not include private 
                   cloud storage services, non-profit encyclopaedias (such as Wikipedia), nor non-profit educational 
                   or scientific repositories"
13:55 < muppeth> thanks Murkas[m]
13:55 < maryjane[m]> So what about something like a users cooperative, or a fundation
13:56 < Murkas[m]> maryjane: usually they dont have profit-making purposes
14:01 < sokan> Murkas[m]++